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		<title>Comment on The Grass-Fed Manifesto (part 3) by jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some other good reading in this connection is Lierre Keith, &quot;The Vegetarian Myth.&quot; She goes a long ways towards debunking a lot of the mythology equating vegetarianism with ecological and humanitarian purity. The ideology equating all consumption of meat with animal cruelty and ecological ruin has gained huge traction, particularly among contemporary (typically college educated) urbanites. Unfortunately, though, it paints a much too simplistic picture of the real dilemmas and problems that face us vis a vis both animal welfare and personal and ecological health. The facts that you point out about the industrial agricultural system -- the costs of global monocultures,  of petroleum dependence, pollution, and the costs of large distance transport of food commodities, are an important part of that story. 

An equally important issue, in my opinion, is the impact on health of large industrial middlemen tampering with our food, whether in the form of dangerous adulteration like trans fats, or the promiscuous use of industrial sweeteners a la hfcs, or bizarre pseudofoods like &quot;olestra&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some other good reading in this connection is Lierre Keith, &#8220;The Vegetarian Myth.&#8221; She goes a long ways towards debunking a lot of the mythology equating vegetarianism with ecological and humanitarian purity. The ideology equating all consumption of meat with animal cruelty and ecological ruin has gained huge traction, particularly among contemporary (typically college educated) urbanites. Unfortunately, though, it paints a much too simplistic picture of the real dilemmas and problems that face us vis a vis both animal welfare and personal and ecological health. The facts that you point out about the industrial agricultural system &#8212; the costs of global monocultures,  of petroleum dependence, pollution, and the costs of large distance transport of food commodities, are an important part of that story. </p>
<p>An equally important issue, in my opinion, is the impact on health of large industrial middlemen tampering with our food, whether in the form of dangerous adulteration like trans fats, or the promiscuous use of industrial sweeteners a la hfcs, or bizarre pseudofoods like &#8220;olestra&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Food Curriculum Project by Guy</title>
		<link>http://goodmaneats.com/food-curriculum-project-2/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a subject for potentially endless discovery. One area that has really intrigued me recently is the emerging understanding of how our nutritional patterns have changed dramatically over time, especially in just the past century. Some really great reading out in the blogosphere can be found on this subject. I stumbled upon the whole subject one day in the form of the book by Loren Cordain, &quot;Paleo Diet,&quot; and from there, started reading up on all the research over the past several decades, going clear back to Weston Price, on the subject of nutritional paleoanthropology.

It&#039;s astonishing to realize how much of an uncontrolled human experiment the industrial food system is that we&#039;ve been engaged in, to which we are all unfortunately the unconsenting guinea pigs. More than ever, I come back to the Precautionary Principle, which leads straight back to the immense value of promoting greater knowledge of local food, seed saving, heritage varieties, and traditional folkways, whether in gardening, cooking, food preservation, and so on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a subject for potentially endless discovery. One area that has really intrigued me recently is the emerging understanding of how our nutritional patterns have changed dramatically over time, especially in just the past century. Some really great reading out in the blogosphere can be found on this subject. I stumbled upon the whole subject one day in the form of the book by Loren Cordain, &#8220;Paleo Diet,&#8221; and from there, started reading up on all the research over the past several decades, going clear back to Weston Price, on the subject of nutritional paleoanthropology.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s astonishing to realize how much of an uncontrolled human experiment the industrial food system is that we&#8217;ve been engaged in, to which we are all unfortunately the unconsenting guinea pigs. More than ever, I come back to the Precautionary Principle, which leads straight back to the immense value of promoting greater knowledge of local food, seed saving, heritage varieties, and traditional folkways, whether in gardening, cooking, food preservation, and so on and on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To Tax or Not To Tax? Obesity is the Question. by James</title>
		<link>http://goodmaneats.com/2010/03/03/to-tax-or-not-to-tax-obesity-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem has several layers as I see it:

1) Consumers are repeatedly lied to, either directly or through omission, by junk food makers about the nutritional merits of their products. The USDA and FDA are complicit in this.

2) There is evidence that shows that several key ingredients in junk food, alone and in combination, cause people to exhibit classic addict behaviors in order to get them. The junk-food addicted rats study is a good one to mention. In other words, an addicted person&#039;s decision-making abilities are compromised thus making them easier targets for #1.

3) Junk foods are some of the cheapest you can buy.

4) Junk foods require little to no cooking skills to make edible. Let&#039;s ignore raw fruits and veggies for the sake of the argument.

If you believe any the above then it doesn&#039;t make sense to tax the consumer. That is in effect punishing them for being ignorant, manipulated, poor, addicts. Instead let&#039;s punish the junk food makers by taking away their ability to advertise and adding a tax to the producers. It was done with cigarettes and to a limited degree with alcohol. Sure, it hasn&#039;t stopped people from drinking too much and smoking cigarettes but in the case of junk food children and teens are being targeted more heavily and directly than practically any other age group. Kids usually can&#039;t purchase food themselves but they can demand that it be bought for them.

If processed foods were more costly to produce then they would be more expensive in the store and healthy whole foods would become more competitively priced. The revenue could be put into better food education and direct subsidies on whole foods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem has several layers as I see it:</p>
<p>1) Consumers are repeatedly lied to, either directly or through omission, by junk food makers about the nutritional merits of their products. The USDA and FDA are complicit in this.</p>
<p>2) There is evidence that shows that several key ingredients in junk food, alone and in combination, cause people to exhibit classic addict behaviors in order to get them. The junk-food addicted rats study is a good one to mention. In other words, an addicted person&#8217;s decision-making abilities are compromised thus making them easier targets for #1.</p>
<p>3) Junk foods are some of the cheapest you can buy.</p>
<p>4) Junk foods require little to no cooking skills to make edible. Let&#8217;s ignore raw fruits and veggies for the sake of the argument.</p>
<p>If you believe any the above then it doesn&#8217;t make sense to tax the consumer. That is in effect punishing them for being ignorant, manipulated, poor, addicts. Instead let&#8217;s punish the junk food makers by taking away their ability to advertise and adding a tax to the producers. It was done with cigarettes and to a limited degree with alcohol. Sure, it hasn&#8217;t stopped people from drinking too much and smoking cigarettes but in the case of junk food children and teens are being targeted more heavily and directly than practically any other age group. Kids usually can&#8217;t purchase food themselves but they can demand that it be bought for them.</p>
<p>If processed foods were more costly to produce then they would be more expensive in the store and healthy whole foods would become more competitively priced. The revenue could be put into better food education and direct subsidies on whole foods.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Tax on Soda = Illogical Food Policy by To Tax or Not To Tax? Obesity is the Question. &#171; good • man • eats</title>
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		<dc:creator>To Tax or Not To Tax? Obesity is the Question. &#171; good • man • eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The last time I wrote about the soda tax, I argued against the logic of it. I think it&#8217;s ludicrous to tax soda and still subsidize corn. This time around, it is clear that subsidization of healthy foods must happen. In another article, Laskway  writes, &#8220;It’s nice that we are finally willing to start taxing unhealthy food. But without doing something about the good stuff, we’re only fighting half the battle.&#8221; For a country that prides itself on the &#8220;free market,&#8221; the grocery store is an awful example of this economic ideal. At any grocery store, you have whole foods competing with processed foods, and the latter has the advantage of subsidized ingredients. If we want to practice what we preach, the least we could do is subsidize the whole foods too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The last time I wrote about the soda tax, I argued against the logic of it. I think it&#8217;s ludicrous to tax soda and still subsidize corn. This time around, it is clear that subsidization of healthy foods must happen. In another article, Laskway  writes, &#8220;It’s nice that we are finally willing to start taxing unhealthy food. But without doing something about the good stuff, we’re only fighting half the battle.&#8221; For a country that prides itself on the &#8220;free market,&#8221; the grocery store is an awful example of this economic ideal. At any grocery store, you have whole foods competing with processed foods, and the latter has the advantage of subsidized ingredients. If we want to practice what we preach, the least we could do is subsidize the whole foods too. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Grass-Fed Manifesto (part 2) by The Case Against Farmed Salmon &#171; good • man • eats</title>
		<link>http://goodmaneats.com/2009/10/06/the-grass-fed-manifesto-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>The Case Against Farmed Salmon &#171; good • man • eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the importance of pastured animals over grain-fed cows, chickens, lambs, etc. (See here, here and here.) It is only a matter of time before large swaths of carnivorous Americans want grass-fed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on the importance of pastured animals over grain-fed cows, chickens, lambs, etc. (See here, here and here.) It is only a matter of time before large swaths of carnivorous Americans want grass-fed [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Grass-Fed Manifesto (Part I) by The Case Against Farmed Salmon &#171; good • man • eats</title>
		<link>http://goodmaneats.com/2009/09/13/the-grass-fed-manifesto-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>The Case Against Farmed Salmon &#171; good • man • eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] extensively on the importance of pastured animals over grain-fed cows, chickens, lambs, etc. (See here, here and here.) It is only a matter of time before large swaths of carnivorous Americans want [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] extensively on the importance of pastured animals over grain-fed cows, chickens, lambs, etc. (See here, here and here.) It is only a matter of time before large swaths of carnivorous Americans want [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Expectations (weekly menu 22) by Gail Juren</title>
		<link>http://goodmaneats.com/2010/02/26/expectations-weekly-menu-22/comment-page-1/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail Juren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am SO enjoying your blogs!  Who would have thought that the little boy who would not touch a vegetable or piece of fruit when having a meal at our house would turn into a healthy food consultant/educator!?

Getting together with your folks for dinner tonight.......

Max scored......he is working as the set designer  for a new Miranda July movie (&quot;You, Me and Everyone We Know&quot;-2005) in L.A. right now.  He will be in production through all of March.  If you are not familiar with this director/actress/performance artist, Google her.  She is fascinating.    I&#039;m so excited for Max!

Rooting for your cause!

Gail

You can rent &quot;Me, You and Everyone We Know&quot;......Jared, you will love this quirky movie that took major indie awards......it has an element of &quot;Mr. Shitty Hands&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am SO enjoying your blogs!  Who would have thought that the little boy who would not touch a vegetable or piece of fruit when having a meal at our house would turn into a healthy food consultant/educator!?</p>
<p>Getting together with your folks for dinner tonight&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Max scored&#8230;&#8230;he is working as the set designer  for a new Miranda July movie (&#8220;You, Me and Everyone We Know&#8221;-2005) in L.A. right now.  He will be in production through all of March.  If you are not familiar with this director/actress/performance artist, Google her.  She is fascinating.    I&#8217;m so excited for Max!</p>
<p>Rooting for your cause!</p>
<p>Gail</p>
<p>You can rent &#8220;Me, You and Everyone We Know&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;Jared, you will love this quirky movie that took major indie awards&#8230;&#8230;it has an element of &#8220;Mr. Shitty Hands&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Urban Farming Revolution by jared</title>
		<link>http://goodmaneats.com/2010/02/07/the-urban-farming-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question, and although I do not own any farm animals myself, I also wonder what laws exist for Portland residents. After a little bit of searching, I found the following rule through the &quot;Portland Online&quot; website. Under chapter 13.05.015, &lt;em&gt; Permit Required for Specified Animal Facility&lt;/em&gt;, part E,

A person keeping a total of three or fewer chickens, ducks, doves, pigeons, pygmy goats or rabbits shall not be required to obtain a specified animal facility permit.  If the Director determines that the keeper is allowing such animals to roam at large, or is not keeping such animals in a clean and sanitary condition, free of vermin, obnoxious smells and substances, then the person shall be required to apply for a facility permit to keep such animals at the site.

For more information, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portlandonline.com/auditor/index.cfm?c=28228&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question, and although I do not own any farm animals myself, I also wonder what laws exist for Portland residents. After a little bit of searching, I found the following rule through the &#8220;Portland Online&#8221; website. Under chapter 13.05.015, <em> Permit Required for Specified Animal Facility</em>, part E,</p>
<p>A person keeping a total of three or fewer chickens, ducks, doves, pigeons, pygmy goats or rabbits shall not be required to obtain a specified animal facility permit.  If the Director determines that the keeper is allowing such animals to roam at large, or is not keeping such animals in a clean and sanitary condition, free of vermin, obnoxious smells and substances, then the person shall be required to apply for a facility permit to keep such animals at the site.</p>
<p>For more information, check out <a href="http://www.portlandonline.com/auditor/index.cfm?c=28228" rel="nofollow">this site</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Truth About Agave Nectar by Sasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is depressing. I started using agave a couple of months ago but I&#039;m going to stop now. I should have known better, my husband warned me that the standards for certain things, especially &quot;organic&quot; products tend to be pretty loose. He is a professional chef and he has seen his share of fast and loose in the realm of what is labeled &quot;natural&quot; and &quot;organic&quot;. Generally speaking, I -do- know better but I slipped up this time. I am not a sugar nazi but I insist on indulging in it rarely so I&#039;ll go back to using honey as I was doing before. Thanks for this information! I appreciate it very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is depressing. I started using agave a couple of months ago but I&#8217;m going to stop now. I should have known better, my husband warned me that the standards for certain things, especially &#8220;organic&#8221; products tend to be pretty loose. He is a professional chef and he has seen his share of fast and loose in the realm of what is labeled &#8220;natural&#8221; and &#8220;organic&#8221;. Generally speaking, I -do- know better but I slipped up this time. I am not a sugar nazi but I insist on indulging in it rarely so I&#8217;ll go back to using honey as I was doing before. Thanks for this information! I appreciate it very much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Urban Farming Revolution by Kate Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the laws with regards to farm animals within the Portland city limits? Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the laws with regards to farm animals within the Portland city limits? Thank you.</p>
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